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PostPosted: Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:31 pm 
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S1 update -
The S1 might not be valid in the event of ' no deal', however you can continue to apply for an S1 up to the time of a 'no-deal' decision, but you should now apply to the Business Services Authority on 0044 191 218 1999


And of course, any chance of you sneaking back into the UK to use the NHS that you've paid for all your working life if you really need it rather than just "temporarily" will be up the Swanee once they have you in the system as being resident abroad... Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:25 am 
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:51 pm 
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The UK has never truly been a Democracy with an unelected Head of State (who is also the head of the State religion), an unelected partly heredity Upper House (of Lords) and a Lower House (of Commons) elected using the discredited First Past The Post System and a system where Political Parties force the elected representatives to vote in line with party policy instead of in line with the wishes of those who voted for them.

Like the picture but think it does a disservice to monkeys!

Quite amusing this Brexit debacle Laughing
  
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:59 pm 
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The UK has never truly been a Democracy with an unelected Head of State (who is also the head of the State religion), an unelected partly heredity Upper House (of Lords) and a Lower House (of Commons) elected using the discredited First Past The Post System and a system where Political Parties force the elected representatives to vote in line with party policy instead of in line with the wishes of those who voted for them.

Like the picture but think it does a disservice to monkeys!

Quite amusing this Brexit debacle Laughing


Well, it depends on how you choose to define "Democracy": no-one's ever claimed that the UK is a direct democracy; the last one was Ancient Athens and it depended on a class of Freemen who were both educated and aware of what the current issues facing their nation state. I'd venture to suggest that those last two criteria would disenfranchise the vast majority of today's UK electorate - no bad thing in itself... Cool Ancient Athens, and most of the other Greek city-states of the time also required a large population of slaves/servants to do much of the menial work while Citizens were busy arguing about how to run the show; this underclass likewise had no input into government or the legal system - an excellent idea to those of us familiar with the system of "twelve good men and true" (aka people who either have too much times on their hands or not enough nous to get themselves out of jury service.

Anyway, the UK is a Representative Democracy - a concept that voters should perhaps reflect on before they plant their X on a ballot paper. This merely means that once you've elected "your" MP, he/she undertakes to vote in parliament "according to their conscience", a recherche way of saying "based what is likely to best further their own own political/financial/career interests"; there's no requirement for MPs to pay the slightest heed to their gullible constituents' problems, at least until the next general election appears on the horizon.. Parliament itself is based on Magna Carta, a much-vaunted contract signed under duress by the then-Capo di tutti i Capi owing to his habit of demanding in excess of what the more junior crime families dared to extort from the plebs below them without the risk of them donning garments of Lincoln Green, Zorro cloaks or Anonymous masks.

The first past the post system is hardly "discredited", apart from in those circles where folk believe that an MP is in the business of doing their constituents' bidding - a laughably naive notion; like "democracy" it's the worst possible system....apart from all the others The best way to improve any political system is to require voters to demonstrate a minimum level of literacy and a coherent grasp of the issues facing the country; that would have the added benefit of vastly reducing the time needed to count the votes after every election!

There are certainly pros and cons associated with both the Royal family and the Upper House of Parliament - to a large extent they seem associated with one's political stance and how far one feels that checks and balances are required to check those in positions of power.

Lastly, there are no monkeys per se in the House of Commons - chimps are of course apes... Wink
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Well, IMHO it is never the system, it is always the quality of the leadership that makes the difference. True seedy, the Athenian democracy has been the only ‘real’ democracy ever, yet this did not prevent the Athenian state to decline under the demagogues of the Alcibiades like just one generation following the magnitude of Pericles. By the time of the us Macedons, Athens was already far from being the superpower they used to be, clearly they were under decline and not for financial reasons this time.

Take the best system, whatever you may find as such, give them an idiot leader and you ‘ve got the recipe of disaster. On the other hand, take the worse system, again whatever you may find as such, give them a good leader and they will flourish. Thus debating on the system of governship appears to be meaningless to me. A system that provides citizens with the freedom of expression at minimum is a must, yet this may be necessary but not sufficient by itself. Citizen freedoms fail to guarantee the application of the citizens will and this can be seen everyday and everywhere. A system is usually build to suit the needs of the ruling class but not the everyday needs of the average middle class man or woman. Every system is good while every system may be bad and ineffective at the same time. To put it simply, all of them depend upon the quality of the leader, for we have failed to create a foolproof system of governship.

Leadership wise, seems to me there is a void in the quality of these chaps globally. Populists or servants to the interests of the powerful elites, contemporary leaders are uninspired and incompetent. Aren’t Theresa, Angela, Manuel, Donald, Alexis or whatever anything but cheap clowns? Most may not be idiots, still as leaders they are clowns. And while clowns can find employment at a circus they should never be given a chance to run the state for turning the state to a circus is not an option.

Regarding brexit, this seems to be going as a parody. This is getting bad even by comparison to the Greek ‘no’ referendum of 2015. For a fact Britain has been and can be within the EU but also out of it as well. On the other hand, it looks so disappointing to see the poor management of the issue on behalf of what is perhaps rightfully regarded as the most politically mature electoral body in the world. Am confident Brits could have done better. Sadly they did not. Now, why is this?
  
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 3:04 pm 
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Beware, The following could just happen for the first time in History.

May could be in and out before the end of April.
  
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That's nothing: just look at the 1752 shenanigans when the UK finally moved from the Julian to the Gregorian calendar (only 170 years late*)....causing much concern to the 18th Century equivalent of Brexiteers, who were convinced that their lives had been shortened by 11 days due to the adoption of this Fiendish Foreign Foible... Cool

*Typically, Turkey was the last to join the modern world - a mere 175 years after the UK... Wink
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It is highly unlikely than an unqualified businessman would be invited to join the board of a multi billion pound company and even less likely that such a person would be acceptable in the top seat. How is it that in the modern era, when universities are available to the masses, that our parliamentarians are often completely unqualified and uninformed.  
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It is highly unlikely than an unqualified businessman would be invited to join the board of a multi billion pound company and even less likely that such a person would be acceptable in the top seat. How is it that in the modern era, when universities are available to the masses, that our parliamentarians are often completely unqualified and uninformed.


There's a host of assumptions there! Very Happy

1 - what "qualifications" are necessary to be appointed to the board of such a company, in your view? I can assure you that it's usually who rather than what you know that gets you appointed to such a position; the composition of boards of directors is usually a show of who you can attract rather than who is likely to interfere in the running of the company.

2- what "qualifications" do you imagine that graduates of today's Mickey Mouse universities can offer that are of the slightest use at board level?

3 - your underlying assumption, that politics should attract the best of the best, is a reasonable one but it overlooks the fact that the job doesn't come with the best of salaries or job prospects.

4 - the often-dismal performance of politicos doesn't necessarily demonstrate a lack of information or even qualifications: it's a dodgy game at the best of times - even without factoring in party allegiances, personal interests, private ambitions, political beliefs etc. The so-called "experts" being paid well in excess of parliamentary salaries in business and the media don't make much of a fist of it when it comes to their predictions and advice, even with the advantage of not being blamed for lurching from one f*ck-up to the next, and they don't have the fate of millions of people in their hands. It's easy for such know-alls to pontificate when they can talk the talk without any danger of having to walk the walk.

5 - a lot of MPs have certainly been to "good" schools and universities; unfortunately, foolishness and arrogance can't be educated out of people.

6 - I could go on, and have done, but I've bored anyone reading this - and myself - enough for now... Wink
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Anyone losing the will to live with Brexit? So many variables and options, it seems no two people can agree on anything Rolling Eyes . Considering the importance of it, you'd think it'd be sorted by now.

And I find Mrs May is more like May not!
  
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Here's the "Latest-For-Now" Info On What's Afoot....
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Thanks for posting that, Seedy - saved me a job!
Lots of confusion at the moment, especially about exchanging driving licences, so hopefully this will help.
  
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It'll probably change again before the week-end, Chris! Sad

The only question that's worth asking in this whole $h1t-$how is just who among the shower in Brussels and Westminster would anyone trust to give you the time of day, let alone run a country/union? Evil or Very Mad
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Another delay. Who could have seen that coming?  
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And the date for the second referendum is...................  
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