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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:20 am 
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Is there an equivalent to th in BG. I was just wondering how you would say stuff such as thyroid etc. when using an english word that can only be as is? Such as an English name with th in it.  
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:30 am 
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Like "Thomas", you mean? Wink
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Like "Thomas", you mean? Wink


You mean John Tomas. Rolling Eyes

Cyrillic usually has only one letter to make the sound of two or more Latin letters combined, but I'll let the linguists answer the OP's question as I'm just a thicko from Wolverhampton. Wink
  
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Ask a Bulgarian to pronounce the th sound, and as in Thomas, the h will become silent!
That should give you a clue as to which would be the Bulgarian version of th. ?

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But I would pronounce Thomas with a silent H anyway. I dont say Thhhhomas, I say Tomas.
How about Theodore?
  
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A Bulgarian language teacher I had a few years ago who was Bulgarian told me there was no equivalent for th in Bulgarian. My grandaughter whos name is Beth the nieghbours call her Betsy as they cant seem pronounce the th.  
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Yeah - there are no diphthongs in Bulgarian, so people have a problem with pronouncing Greek names like Theodore....Cyril and Methodi didn't do their job properly, I'm afraid Wink

Of course, it cuts both ways: the Greek quack peddling "Dita" health supplement for BG tubbies looking to shed a few kilos on BG telly is quite amusing to listen to Very Happy
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Yeah - there are no diphthongs in Bulgarian, so people have a problem with pronouncing Greek names like Theodore....Cyril and Methodi didn't do their job properly, I'm afraid Wink

Of course, it cuts both ways: the Greek quack peddling "Dita" health supplement for BG tubbies looking to shed a few kilos on BG telly is quite amusing to listen to Very Happy


Greeks seem to have a problem with the 'sh' sound as in my Wife's name Sasha. which is often pronounced Sassa by Greeks or perhaps all the ones I met have an Ouzo induced speech impediment. Rolling Eyes
  
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Yeah, there are sounds in many languages which don't exist in others, so people often have difficulty "hearing" them, not to mention then trying to reproduce them. Very Happy

It's all down to practice, having "an ear" for language - and being brought up multi-lingual helps a lot too...
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A Bulgarian neighbour who is desperately trying to learn a bit of English as her daughter is living there spends hours asking us how to say things and writing it down. When it came to tooth and teeth she just couldn't say th at all, so it was toose and teece. She tried so hard and was miffed when her cousin managed to say it.  
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Names tend to just use a T sound instead of th. Smith becomes Smit etc.

For similar sounding words in Bulgarian and English, again a th sound is replaced by a t sound, sometimes a strong 'tee' and sometimes a softer 'tuh' depending on the folllowing vowel and stress position.

Thermometer becomes termometer
Athritis becomes artrit


I've run out of examples!
  
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Qtip - spot on.....Now if we could only get the Scots to speak understandable English.. Wink  
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Well, the Russians have this trouble with "Th" and the best they can do is "F" or "Ф".


So, when they need to say "Athens" (or "Athina", or "Athinai"), they say "Афины".



Look at what Russians and Bulgarians did with "Theodore".

In Bulgarian, Todor (Тодор)

In Russian, Fyodor (Фёдор)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_(name)
  
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You should have seen the looks I was getting with Julie in BG. I more often than not had the hotel registration documents shoved at me to fill in because they were even having trouble doing the J the right way round. Nearly as much fun as seeing me do the handwritten Bulgarian 'L' .  
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Yet, we never think that WE have strong accents and pronunciation problems in foreign languages and especially Slavic languages. I can never get that deep guttural sound at all. I always have to smile when the James Bond type spy goes into unaccented fluent Russian - it takes a lot of training or dual parentage to usually achieve that.

The problem is the TONGUE to achieve the correct pronunciation one needs to put into places that one was never required to do in the native tongue.

It takes a lot of speech therapy for Eastern Europeans to get that 'Th' sound, but it is possible as my Wife is fair witness too. Try some folk in the South East of England on a Thr sound - my favourite test for them is 'Thracker Thracker as in Helicopter sound and it comes back to as 'Fracker Fracker'. Laughing
  
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