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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:29 am 
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Interesting article about Thousands of "Italians" taking a week-end stroll.... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:19 pm 
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This economic 'living space' is important for the future and historically may have been considered as 'Lebensraum', but it's not just about the agricultural landscape, we must consider the inevitable economic migration from the whole African continent. Apart from Italy's former colonial ties with Eritrea, within just one generation i.e. next 30 years, the population of another African state - Nigeria will have doubled its population.
http://tinyurl.com/ybfc7jb4

Of course Nigeria is just one element of this migration puzzle, which has seen most movement from other African states, especially sub-Saharan ones that are more unstable and environmentally vulnerable due to persistent droughts, hampered by inefficient farming techniques and corrupt resource management. This demography is going to overwhelm the EU, and it has absolutely no viable plan to prevent the level of economic migration to follow before the middle of this century. Turkey has already crapped on its own geopolitical doorstep with Erdogan's antics, but it will likely feature as a broken 'migrant valve', if the EU doesn't play nicely and spend money it doesn't have.

Beware however, the fall of Daesh in Syria and Iraq, as both Turkey and Iran will turn their attention to the inevitable rise of an independent Kurdish state! It should perhaps be remembered that Salahuddin was a Sunni Kurd born in Tikrit, who was successful in defeating the Crusaders and restoring Jerusalem, and then keeping it from the French and Richard the Lionheart et al. I've worked with many Kurds in Iraq over the years and had two female Kurdish interpreters who were fearless when confronting some of the senior Iraqi Army personnel I trained between 2005 - 2007; the Kurds are and have always been a particularly tough bunch! The point is, conflict is likely to continue in the ME region for decades and with that the refugee / asylum seeker / economic migration will persist.

One irony of Salahuddin was that he allowed Jews to return and settle in Jerusalem, a community that later expanded with migration from European countries over the next several centuries. We all know what subsequently happened in Palestine as Seedy's favourite - Perfidious Albion divested itself of an Empire it was too weak to govern; another fine mess we got the world into!!. On a different front, arrangements at Schengen borders for Italy and Spain, the two countries currently taking the brunt of the Mediterranean human trafficking numbers, are likely to break down with their neighbours over time. The Dublin accord is also beginning to bite for some Southern EU countries and Merkel's idea of 'redistribution', which Poland and Hungary are presently resisting, is aggravated by too few EU countries addressing repatriation in a robust manner in order to deter the human movement from MENA or further afield.
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All Perfidious Albion has to do is stop posturing and use its armed forces to protect its own borders rather than crossing other people's in pointless, and counter-productive, invasions. Once the example has been set and is seen to be working then perhaps other countries will wake up and start to follow suit.

If Merkel has no objection to hosting a few million illegals in search of Lebensraum then good luck to her, and her long-suffering compatriots, but quite why she thinks she should appoint herself as Europe's Moral Gauleiter is a bit of a mystery to me and her notion that she can ship off her invited but now-unwanted flotsam and jetsam to other countries in the name of "EU solidarity" is just ludicrous. You can only sit on a powder-keg for so long......
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All Perfidious Albion has to do is stop posturing and use its armed forces to protect its own borders rather than crossing other people's in pointless, and counter-productive, invasions. Once the example has been set and is seen to be working then perhaps other countries will wake up and start to follow suit.

If Merkel has no objection to hosting a few million illegals in search of Lebensraum then good luck to her, and her long-suffering compatriots, but quite why she thinks she should appoint herself as Europe's Moral Gauleiter is a bit of a mystery to me and her notion that she can ship off her invited but now-unwanted flotsam and jetsam to other countries in the name of "EU solidarity" is just ludicrous. You can only sit on a powder-keg for so long......

Yes, quite! Long gone are the heady days of the Berlin Conference in 1885 when the European powers 'divvied up' East Africa and turfed the 'flotsam and jetsam' to the minor colonial entities, whilst countries like Kenya were properly exploited by Victoria & Co! Empire is as empire does, decline and fall etc., but damn inconvenient when what goes around, comes around! Even Swahili was originally derived from Bantu and Arabic, so never had a purely African root, although it developed as a language of trade and commerce for the region.

It's just as well most former British colonies played their part and batted for our side in the first and second European unpleasantness though, especially against the Japanese in SE Asia during WW2. Today, our military forces ability to defend our borders is long since past its sell by date, indeed even with extant Foreign & Commonwealth personnel we still struggled to keep our head above water with kinetic operations during Telic + Herrick.

The folly of Bliar's Iraq is a given, but the irony of controlling borders beyond Brexit will be our disengagement from Frontex and Europol, which will no doubt hamper intelligence sharing and coordination. France in particular will have little interest in halting the migrant tide via the channel ports, especially if there is a reset to border controls on our respective territories e.g. French officials push off back to Calais and Brits return to Dover.

We could of course go the route of Australia, as we have several suitable islands in the South Atlantic that would serve as a 'Manus' or 'Nauru' equivalent, in order to provide suitable assessment and selection venues. I cannot see it being pursued in the current political climate, but who knows what the future holds? I certainly believe HM Prisons would benefit from a South Georgia extension to HMP Dartmoor, similar landscape with even better air quality, and I'm sure G4S would go for it at the right price! No doubt Leigh Day and others would kick up a fuss though, at least whilst we remain subject to ECHR!
  
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